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This looks kind of interesting. Anything that helps preserve your body for how active we are can be a good thing. I'm interested in this as my body is 'wearing' blankstare

 

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Have to disagree here Dan. The whole MEDIC series is just more propaganda from Perry to convince us that the other pole manufacturers are evil and he alone is out to "save" us.

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Is that my friend Perry's video, I like it!

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Yes, it's a Perry video, Art.

The way I see it, Tony- if that idea becomes field-proven it could be a real arm saver for guys like me who have a whole lot of mileage. If it is just hype, it'll be just one of many accessories that didn't make it. Can't blame a guy for trying to be ahead of the proverbial curve. I didn't see another product like that in a brief web search.

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These videos came on the heels of Perry's suggesting a class action suit against fiberglass pole manufacturers. I find his behavior from day one to be unethical at best.

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Window cleaners are a funny breed.

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I'm curious to the cost. Anyone have an idea?

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Diamond roof Cleaning wrote:

Window cleaners are a funny breed.


 That's funny! WCs say pressure washers are a funny breed biggrin

But seriously, it does look interesting.

I think the class action suit idea is a bit silly, but the fact that someone may develop a product that helps with ergonomics seems potentially good.



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That's cool. I'm not a pressure washer.

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I'm a Power Washer, Why? because most people don't know what SoftWashing is! I'll take it!

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I'm not a soft washer either. I'm a home exterior cleaning expert.

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Diamond roof Cleaning wrote:

I'm not a soft washer either. I'm a home exterior cleaning expert.


 There ya Go!, One up'en!



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Diamond roof Cleaning wrote:

I'm not a soft washer either. I'm a home exterior cleaning expert.


 With a title like that Mike, who wouldn't want to hire you!

The handles do look interesting. Does anyone know the cost?



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Perry posted that in 2015 they will only be available on some Reach-It poles.
In 2016 the plan is to make handles that will fit on other brands.
No price provided that I've seen.

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The sad thing is he is now using this new product to further attack other pole manufacturers. Saying they have been aware of the repetitive stress injuries their products create.
He needs to wake up. Work is repetitive and stressful period. The lives and injuries saved by wfps can't be ignored or minimized just to sell a new gimmick.
It's sad that he is so scared of the competition that he has to stoop to this type of nonsense.

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Looks interesting....would love to try it and see how it works....he sure makes it look easy.

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I agree, Doug. If it works, it works. (that's if it works smile)

In my opinion we all decide what fruits we pick from what trees.



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I can't say much about Perry, because I don't personally know him. But I've washed windows for 17 years and I think it's a great idea.

WFP work can be a real wrist strain. The safety program for my guys, has them take 5 minute breaks every 30 minutes and do shoulder stretches and wrist stretches during long WFP jobs. Despite the breaks, they actually get more done in a day.

Everyone has mouths to feed. I think it's an innovative idea

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That's a great idea, the mandatory break when wfp'ing.

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Dan, I understand you feel I'm being unreasonable here, but when I see the same guy try to take advantage of the industry time and again I feel the need to weak up.
I will give one example here showing why this comes across as a gimmick - here we have a guy attacking other Poe manufacturers on the basis of stress injuries. The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. Yet this guy wants us to believe he really cares about that.
Sorry but I see the same gimmicks he's always used. It's detrimental for industry professionals to support this type of manufacturer. I can't stress enough that anyone having dealings with Perry should be very careful. You're much better off to use and support quality vendors from the UAMCC.

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The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. 


 

This is just a blatant lie and totally false. We sell 8 different brands of Water Fed Poles and the Reach-iT is the lightest.



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Well .. I am glad to have the opportunity to read and respond to Mr Squeegees claims .. he has me blocked in most areas of social media.

We have met face-to-face - I took the time to drive with Jorge Aguilar, to Newton, Iowa from Kansas City, MI,. to meet with Tony,  - when I  saw Tony's work van and we talked for two hours ... I feel I have a measure on this guy. In short, he is a curator, while I might be a creator, by juxtaposition.


So .. where do I start ...

Let's get the quotes all in one place, then I might answer them one by one :

QUOTE : TONY EVANS :

Have to disagree here Dan. The whole MEDIC series is just more propaganda from Perry to convince us that the other pole manufacturers are evil and he alone is out to "save" us.
These videos came on the heels of Perry's suggesting a class action suit against fiberglass pole manufacturers. I find his behavior from day one to be unethical at best.
The sad thing is he is now using this new product to further attack other pole manufacturers. Saying they have been aware of the repetitive stress injuries their products create.
He needs to wake up. Work is repetitive and stressful period. The lives and injuries saved by wfps can't be ignored or minimized just to sell a new gimmick.
It's sad that he is so scared of the competition that he has to stoop to this type of nonsense.
Dan, I understand you feel I'm being unreasonable here, but when I see the same guy try to take advantage of the industry time and again I feel the need to weak up.
I will give one example here showing why this comes across as a gimmick - here we have a guy attacking other Poe manufacturers on the basis of stress injuries. The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. Yet this guy wants us to believe he really cares about that.
Sorry but I see the same gimmicks he's always used. It's detrimental for industry professionals to support this type of manufacturer. I can't stress enough that anyone having dealings with Perry should be very careful. You're much better off to use and support quality vendors from the UAMCC.



Let's start on the CLASS ACTION - I am not calling for a class action, I am saying that I believe there may be a potential for a class action and ... in fact, I totally believe it.

I have prepared a White Paper with Dr. Douglas J. Mills, M.D. and submitted to IWCA and the I-14 Window Cleaning Safety Committee - it reads :

Dear Committee Members,

We propose changes to paragraph 5.1.2 as currently reads :

5.1.2 Employees shall be trained in the use and care of extension poles and water fed poles before they shall be permitted to use such equipment.

Training shall include but not be limited to proper inspection, assembly, erection and a full understanding of safe working conditions considering as a minimum, exposure to electrical sources and wind.

The training will be validated and a copy kept on file by the window cleaning contractor and be readily available to the building manager upon request.


Our suggested proposed wording for the change is as follows :

5.1.2 Employees shall be trained in the proper selection, use and care of extension poles and water fed poles before they shall be permitted to use such equipment.

Training shall include but not be limited to the proper selection, inspection, assembly and erection, and ergonomic use of any extension pole. Training should provide a full understanding of safe working conditions considering as a minimum, the risk for repetitive motion injury, the risk of being in the proximity of electrical sources and the dangerous effect of wind on an extended pole.

The training will be validated and a copy kept on file by the window cleaning contractor and be readily available to the building manager upon request.

Our rationale is attached in the form of a White Paper submission titled ‘A WATER FED POLE SUITABILITY GUIDE’ prepared by Dr. Douglas J. Mills, M.D. and Perry Tait.


So .. come February 7th, we will release the White Paper to the public and wait for Tony's in depth study and criticism. The white paper proves that floppy poles are potentially more injurious in direct relation to their floppiness. It is WRONG to sell a floppy pole as a professional tool, no matter who it upsets to say so . If it were true that tool manufacturers make floppy poles, retailers sell floppy poles and workers have a higher potential to get injured from using floppy poles, who are the winners and losers in this equation? My claim is not that other manufacturers do not make quality products - they do - it is just that they allow the wrong product to be sold - for the wrong workloads, and we are talking a 30 YEAR OLD industry. Tucker Poles is 30 years old, Ionics 15-20 years old, Gardiner 10-15 years, I guess, and futureofcleaning.com - we are tackling the 'taboo' topic of INJURY - in our 4th year from scratch.

The industry has the resources to expose and solve the challenges that are forced upon a worker when using a bimanual, linear overhead tool - and it's the 'little guys' who are actually doing it.



-- Edited by Perry Tait on Friday 30th of January 2015 06:59:15 AM



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He needs to wake up. Work is repetitive and stressful period. The lives and injuries saved by wfps can't be ignored or minimized just to sell a new gimmick.
It's sad that he is so scared of the competition that he has to stoop to this type of nonsense.
Dan, I understand you feel I'm being unreasonable here, but when I see the same guy try to take advantage of the industry time and again I feel the need to weak up.
I will give one example here showing why this comes across as a gimmick - here we have a guy attacking other Poe manufacturers on the basis of stress injuries. The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. Yet this guy wants us to believe he really cares about that.

Here, we are straying from the point ... I am interested in making the use of a water fed pole safer. I can prove both that it is not 'safe' and that it can be made safer.

If you take Tony's advice, Work is Repetitive and Stressful - suck it up - there is no room for anyone to address it - Tony reminds me of the type of people Henry Ford was considering when he replied 'If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'a faster horse'' !

To get an idea into the market, there needs to be statements made that made people think - and think seriously. I have made those statements from my own convictions and I stick by them. If they are unethical, who to ? you, the worker, or the manufacturers that support Tony Evans - such that he took the opportunity to promote them at the end of his comments.


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"The lives and injuries saved by WFP's can't be ignored or minimised just to sell a new gimmick"

This really exposes how simplistic and poorly researched, this commentator is :

Firstly, we are not selling POWER and CONTROL Ergonomic Alignment Handles, a fact that another reader was able to find, just by going to the website - see www.power-and-control.com/how-to-buy.html In short, we are supplying them free to each Reach-iT Pole customer - that is probably our capacity as we are wanting to get the feedback ( Tony Evans has sung from the mountaintops how he is the BETA Tester,, and my customers shouldn't be) - before we make molds and lock down the design.
Each set of POWER and CONTROL is made by hand - first generation models have over 70 parts - and we are supplying them with a 'WORK CYCLE COUNTER' so we can gather more quantitative information to submit to OSHA.

There are two types of injury that are relevant -

Catastrophic and Repetitive Motion injuries. Ladders are a potential source of both, and WFP's have indeed significantly reduced the incidence of catastrophic falls from heights, with serious morbidity and mortality.

Water Fed Poles, however, are still an awkward tool to use and, as we are using millions of work cycles in a lifetime, this awkwardness is a big risk factor, exacerbated by floppiness of the pole, and, of course, significant changes in the weight of the pole.

These handles, and the MEDIC video education program you can find on power-and-control.com is only possible with the time of Dr.Douglas J. Mills, M.D. - a currently licensed physician in the state of Texas. He was 25 years an ER Doctor and 5 years the Medical Director for one of the largest Occupational Health Clinics in USA. This is not a gimmick. Dr Mills is, himself an inventor of other ergonomic tools. Representative of our mutual contribution, we have applied for a patent for POWER and CONTROL Handles together.

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I will give one example here showing why this comes across as a gimmick - here we have a guy attacking other Poe manufacturers on the basis of stress injuries. The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. Yet this guy wants us to believe he really cares about that.
Sorry but I see the same gimmicks he's always used. It's detrimental for industry professionals to support this type of manufacturer. I can't stress enough that anyone having dealings with Perry should be very careful. You're much better off to use and support quality vendors from the UAMCC.


All Reach-iT poles are 100% Carbonfiber. The MINI range is 100% carbonfiber, and the PRO range is 100% High Modulus Carbon Fiber.

We are the ONLY brand in the world that ONLY sells 100% carbonfibre poles - for professionals - why ?

Because we know that rigidity counts.

When a tool manufacturer designs a pole, he is expressing his values ... it is a core definition of his business model. We make our poles with a wall thickness that will NOT fail them - it will NOT break on the job. The way we do it, we add 2 more layers of Carbonfibre to make sure that our pole sections will not need replacing from wear and tear. We know how to make 'super-light' poles .. we can find the factories that make the Carp Poles that they are based on... it is simply not my interest.

Now ... are we the heaviest pole - HELL NO ! You cannot make a pole lighter than 100% carbonfiber. Only you can make it lighter by reducing the AMOUNT of carbonfiber. If you reduce the amount of carbonfiber, you can also reduce the rigidity.

To us, pole rigidity is important. The more we learn, the more committed to pole rigidity I have become.

To lobby against me and my determination to improve our industry -

To demonise me by saying that I am demonising others,

To suggest that you should buy off others .. well .. I guess that's just him doing what he is paid to do.



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I'll address your last rant Perry - I'm not paid by anyone. I don't make a dime off any pole sales. So this is just one more example of you lying.
The Gardiner Xtreme is lighter than your pole and the stiffest pole on the market so there goes that argument. As for demonizing you it's really just making new or inexperienced cleaners aware of the danger of buying into your brand of truth.

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Chris Lambrinides wrote:
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The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. 


 

This is just a blatant lie and totally false. We sell 8 different brands of Water Fed Poles and the Reach-iT is the lightest.


 Are you saying you sell 8 full carbon fiber poles and they are all heavier than Perry's? Or perhaps your comparing hybrid and fiberglass poles in your statement. that would be an important fact to know if we are to believe you.



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Please trust me when I say not many people really give a flying crap about the intricacies of water fed poles, other than window cleaners. Please find a different forum where to have these rants & attacks. I for one don't want the public coming here, reading this and thinking "what a bunch of MORONS!" Go find a private forum in which to fight it out.

We all look unprofessional when this is on our forum.



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I agree. These guys sound like school girls fighting in the bathroom.

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My apologies to the group.

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