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BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Cleaning With Hydrogen Peroxide Test

waxman18324 · Founding Member Rest in Peace

What substrate are we cleaning?

Hank

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

waxman18324 wrote:
What substrate are we cleaning?

Hank

Hardi and vinyl.

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Trying to remove or get rid of ,..what?

-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Saturday 9th of February 2019 04:28:41 PM

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

HP is good at removing organic stains or whitening bones,...sucks for removing mold. Ask if them if they want the job done properly or not.

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Jeff Wible wrote:
HP is good at removing organic stains or whitening bones,...sucks for removing mold. Ask if them if they want the job done properly or not.

Algae and mold. This is what the wine guy told me. The second one that freaked about bleach. Purdue

"Cleaning products that contain hypochlorite (OCl–) should not be used anywhere near the winery, especially the production and hospitality areas, specifically the tasting room.

Presence of chlorine is one of the two major contributors to the production of 2,4,6-trichloroanisole (TCA), the compound that causes a moldy, musty cork taint."

There are so many around here if I can get the right mix... we are going to be able to clean them all.

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Hey Brett,..I think it may be "acceptable" MAYBE,..at preventing mold and algae???,..But removing it,...I highly doubt any real success. I experimented with it at 33% several years ago,..was basically worthless.

Jeff

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Anyone freaking out about bleach for mold and algae removal are are mostly ignoramuses.

Jeff

Art O · Approved Exterior Cleaner

What about Wash Safe

https://s3.amazonaws.com/shopify-custom-fields/washsafe.myshopify.com/fields/products/downloads/8395558225/SDS%20-%20Roof%20Wash.pdf

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Brett,..there was some kind of water that people use for cleaning playground equipment???

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Hank called and thought sodium per carbonate would work.

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Jeff Wible wrote:
Anyone freaking out about bleach for mold and algae removal are are mostly ignoramuses.
Jeff

I'm with you Jeff. I said it's outside! He said, the wine makers freak if they smell bleach.

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I highly doubt Sodium Percarbonate will work on existing algae or mold,...just doesn't have the killing power needed. But,..go ahead and try it,..and see what happens,..never know I guess.

Ozonated Water,..not sure though if it kills visible type algae and mold. Maybe try steam,..

Jeff

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I'd tell them to go figure it out on there own. I hate elitist types,...who already have it all figured out,...but,..still don't know what to do about their issue.

Jeff

-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Saturday 9th of February 2019 05:26:37 PM

waxman18324 · Founding Member Rest in Peace

Brett,

Do you have any photos so we can continue to figure this out. We have plenty of sharp minds here at NSWA.

Hank

Maverick Contracting · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Jeff Wible wrote:
Brett,..there was some kind of water that people use for cleaning playground equipment???

Jeff/Brett,

I think what you're thinking of is ozone enriched water.

"Ozone-in-water Application. Ozone can be dissolved into water just as chlorine and other chemicals can be. ... Surfaces are cleaned and bio-films are removed with a hot water or cleaning step. Then aqueous ozone is used tosanitize the surface destroying all bacteria, viruses, fungi, and spores"

www.ozonesolutions.com/info/ozone-use-for-surface-sanitation

-- Edited by Maverick Contracting on Saturday 9th of February 2019 07:24:34 PM

Maverick Contracting · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Sorry Jeff, i didn't read all the way to your 2nd to last post lol

Think Dan Dykstra uses this method

Diamond Roof Cleaning · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Spray and regret

Chris · Exterior Cleaner

I know some guys that lost some accounts because they used bleach in huge coolers where bread dough, pizza dough and some other foods that use yeast to help it rise were affected, turns out the bleach fumes killed the yeast and nothing would rise and they lost a lot of money and had to close to re-clean the coolers with regular soap, water, brooms and mops.

Maybe the winery can be affected by the bleach fumes in this way also, might affect the yeast that helps ferment the grapes into wine?

I was wondering about a strong Sodium Percarbonate mix, like 1 pound per gallon directly applied to the surface, 15 or 20 minute dwell and rinse, maybe it would kill the mold and algae at that strength?

There is a guy in California that washes houses with Oxyclean and hot water, uses a small tub (3 or 5 pounds) of Oxiclean into a 5 gallon bucket of hot water, directly applies this to houses then rinses and claims (I don't know for sure about this) that this with the hot water rinsing helps get rid of the mold and algae off of houses.

I have been wanting to try this out to see if there is any truth to it because there are some houses here that they put a ton of plants around the house that I am sure will start dying when I take the cap off of the bleach tank, before I even spray some of these houses. I would like an almost fool-proof way for some of these houses to get the surface clean without bleach or high pressure but have not found anything but talking to this guy makes me think there is a chance it might work.

What do you guys think?

Maverick Contracting · Approved Exterior Cleaner

oxycleen IS sodium percarbonate. just mixed with fillers such as sodium carbonate, bicarbonate etc. and way more $$$ than industrial supply pure S. Percarbonate.

Sodium Percarbonate powder dissolved in water produces hydrogen peroxide.

"When dissolved in water, sodium percarbonate liberates hydrogen peroxide. Sodium percarbonate is a white, granular or powdered solid oxidizer. It is used primarily as a bleaching agent in cleaning products. Exposure to sodium percarbonate can cause irritation to the skin, eyes, and respiratory tract."

www.google.com/url

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Hey Chris,..I'd say the guy using OxiClean and hot water is relying highly on the use of the PW to to the real cleaning. Probably gets work this way by using non smelly detergent.

I used Hydrogen Peroxide in commercial strength to try it on basic black wildew you see on siding,..even at full strength it wouldn't make it disappear. It was around 33% I think and thick like paint. It would burn you skin. Ended up giving it to a friend of mine ho used it for bleaching deer skulls. Worked great for that also.

I'd say this is a great opportunity to sell them a maintenance program, once you get it cleaned.

Jeff

-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Sunday 10th of February 2019 05:12:38 AM

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I'd be looking into the Ozonated water, not sure if it kills on contact like bleach, but definitely as the maintenance program end of it.

Brett, what did they do before?

Jeff

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

When I first started in 1996, we used butyl based detergent and a brush to wash houses,...was time consuming, but in reality,..it did a very nice job,...Reason: With the strong buty based detergent and brushes, we were scrubbing off all the oxidation, which left the siding shiny like new. Did that for about 3-4 years and built clientele and got busier and busier,.....Nowadays it's too much effort to do all that scrubbing,... Shameful and Sad isn't it, Ha, Ha,.. I know some guys do offer oxidation removal at a different cost,....I don't even give the option of removing it,...No one seems to mind or care,...

I relieve my guilt with this analogy Ha, Ha..,...I equate it to washing a car vs buffing a car. Two different methods altogether,..I choose not to "Buff",.....A buff isn't expected with a basic wash.

NOTE: Once it got into the Fall months and was,.. cold the the typical black mold got VERY stubborn and resisted the detergent,..and is why I started using bleach,..and never looked back.

Jeff

-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Sunday 10th of February 2019 05:40:11 AM

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Everyone has some great ideas and options to try. The only one I won't try is to tell them anything close to what I would say to a home owner.

My goal is to figure this out and to be the go to company for wineries, distillers and micro brews. I have added screen shots. The actual winery, the amount close by and then those within a 50 mile radius.

waxman18324 · Founding Member Rest in Peace

If you figure it out you can have own winery.

Hank

Maverick Contracting · Approved Exterior Cleaner

While it is a more complex process to clean these premises, you can price at a higher margin due to less competition.

I would look at it this way, if it takes twice as long, you charge 3x as much or more.

If you know the answers to ALL of their concerns before negotiations and you are quick to answer them without an "Ummm", you will win their confidence and get the higher rates than the other bidders.

These are unique opportunities in which their competitors in the wine business, wineries, breweries are also friends in a tight knit social environment and industry in which 1 repeat account can turn quickly into numerous REPEAT accounts.

Jeff Wible · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Considering the amount of potential work,..I'd sit down and ask them what the specifics are to their reasoning behind the issue is with bleach. Being outside shouldn't have anything to do with production or contamination of any kind. Usually people are misinformed or scared because something they read. Sucks having to go off the game plan,..especially when there is alot of it to wash.

Jeff

BlueRidge · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Jeff Wible wrote:
Considering the amount of potential work,..I'd sit down and ask them what the specifics are to their reasoning behind the issue is with bleach. Being outside shouldn't have anything to do with production or contamination of any kind. Usually people are misinformed or scared because something they read. Sucks having to go off the game plan,..especially when there is alot of it to wash.

Jeff

Exactly Jeff! I could never get a straight answer at the first winery when we got shut down. The owner was not as concerned as the head honcho wine maker. The second place I was dealing with the manager. This time I knew something (not much) but I knew more than I did at the previous place. That is when he explained that even fumes can effect the wine. I asked if there was a down time, "not really." He did say he can get the roof done in March but nothing with bleach after that.

If you saw the way this place is set up, they even have stainless machines in a pavilion area, exposed to the elements. No bleach can get near those machines. No bleach fumes can enter the building and since they have ventilation, it could be a problem. The above from Purdue explains the fear and no one is willing to gamble, especially when they are always trying to be the best and win awards. I can't imagine what it would do to their name if we cleaned with bleach and the wine was effected in some way. One thing is for sure... I would never clean another and there are a bunch!

I love a challenge and "we" will figure this out. Then I will do exactly as Mav mentioned.

Maverick Contracting · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Spirits are a sponge for odors much like charcoal which is what makes whiskey what it is from location to location.
It absorbs the ocean air saltyness from Ilse of Skye and differentiates Highland from Lowland etc.

Hell, if you ever had a cup of coffee even remotely near SH fumes it messes up the flavor to the point i cant drink it.

-- Edited by Maverick Contracting on Sunday 10th of February 2019 01:09:59 PM

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Brett,

I have used the Wash Safe products on three wineries we have cleaned in the last couple years. 2 of them have us on a yearly contract every Spring. One was a metal building and the other two were wood siding. I did demos on all of them because that product is not what we usually use and I wasn't sure of the results. Plus I wanted the owner to sign off on the demo, so there was no misunderstanding of expectations. The demos and the jobs turned out great. I have done a few other demos with that product with not so great results as well. I have been able to switch the owners mind and use SH on all of them, except one. I use a dedicated pump and 65 gallon mix tank for the Wash Safe stuff and then rinse with a booster or a pressure washer with a fan tip. You have to really pay attention to the directions and how it says to mix and dwell. It is not cheap but neither am I. I charge accordingly and make great money on the jobs. I am sure you could use something else, but I like the idea of having a third party SDS sheet and a products website I can direct the owner too. Hope this helps!!! Call me if you need any more info. I attached a few pics.